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And can you talk a little bit about, you know, some of the politics that underlie the work,

you know, how you think about health and capitalism, how you all think about policing,

borders, austerity, state abandonment. And then also can you talk about

how this analysis informs or doesn't inform your practice? Yeah. So as I said, a lot of us believe that

the work we're doing now is going to be so important as we continue to disrupt the state. And for

other groups that want to do similar work, it is so important that you very clearly state your

politics so that it doesn't get washed away when others, or so that you are in control of the narrative

of what you're doing, you know, so that the group is in control of the narrative.

I think the capitalist ruling classes openly and consciously wage war on the oppressed,

and houseless people are some of the most vulnerable people in our society.

So a state of crisis is fertile terrain for the imperialist

predators to exploit us and deprive us of our needs. And mutual aid is the antithesis of that. Mutual

aid is about community meeting the day-to-day needs of others in our community. And this is the

foundational basis of organizing that the Black Panthers

described to. If everyone is healthy, and if everyone has their needs met, and if everyone is

thriving, then all of us can better organize, which benefits the whole. And my definition of

health is very similar to how you describe health and health communism.

So this is where the reciprocity comes into play.

Basically, what we are saying is, hey, neighbor, I want you to be as thriving and happy as we are so that we can organize alongside each other.

And I'm stronger when you can organize alongside me,

if that makes sense. I think our joy doesn't have to be dependent on the systems that we are resisting.

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