This is a special bonus edition of The Reason Interview with Nick Gillespie.

I'm Nick Gillespie.

And the reason we're doing a special one is to talk with Taylor Lorenz.

She is a tech reporter, a journalist, analyst, and the founder of UserMag.com.

Check her out there in its substack.

Taylor also did stints at the new york times washington

post the atlantic you are something of a controversialist uh taylor but um and i want to i want you to be

controversial today but mostly you were covering the trial in los angeles that was just decided, you know, where for the first time ever

meta and YouTube or social media companies were found liable for causing psychological harm

and addiction in a woman who is known as Kaley. Let's talk about that. What was your sense of the trial?

And was the verdict preordained when you started following it? Well, I'll tell you something.

Mark Lanier, who was Kaylee's lawyer, is one of the most compelling lawyers I have watched.

He is this like Southern showman.

As he's talking, he's drawing in real time on a projector, which I didn't even know you could do in court.

He's so compelling that I, when I was watching the trial, I would get annoyed when the meta lawyer would

come back on because it was so boring compared to Mark, which is just like, tell, I mean,

everything he's saying is like effectively, like so deeply misleading or almost, I would argue,

outright falls.

But he's so compelling.

And he makes you feel emotion.

So I, like, I mean, I wasn't there for the

entire trial every single day for months, but, but even from the time that I did, the short time

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