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#TARIFFS: NO USEFULNESS.. VERONIQUE DE RUGY, MERCATUS

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🗓️ 15 March 2025

⏱️ 9 minutes

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#TARIFFS: NO USEFULNESS.. VERONIQUE DE RUGY, MERCATUS
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0:00.0

This is CBSI and the world. I'm John Batchel. Trade, much in the news, tariffs, much in the news.

0:08.3

I welcome Bernic de Reggie of the Mercatus Center, an economist, who helps me understand these terms of art that are being used routinely in headlines and in lead paragraphs.

0:18.7

At the end of the day, we have remarks that are not entirely understandable

0:23.6

unless they connect to the turmoil in the markets.

0:26.6

I'm not sure, however.

0:27.6

Protectionism, I understand.

0:30.6

Veronique de Rieh, a very good evening to you writing most recently at Capital Matters for National Review, you've written of David

0:40.7

Ricardo, born 1772, died 1823, an economist, and you write of David Ricardo's comparative advantage,

0:51.7

the concept of comparative advantage. How does that connect to

0:55.7

Orrin Cass, who is quite proudly a protectionist? Good evening to you. Good evening. Well, the reason

1:02.1

why I wrote about Ricardo and the title of this article is called Poor Ricardo. It's because

1:08.7

it seemed that in the last few years, no one has talked as much about Ricardo as we have, but usually it's to actually totally distort his view.

1:17.6

So for instance, Oren Cass talks about the law of comparative advantage, which is this very simple idea, which is even if you're a country that produces

1:30.1

everything, it is still in your advantage to trade with others. So you can focus on the goods

1:38.4

that have the, where you have the highest advantage and buy from countries that can actually

1:46.0

produce that same good at lower price. And they mingle the concept all of the time.

1:56.0

But then I felt I had to write to write about Ricardo again because at a recent interview at the

2:05.1

economics club in New York, our friend Larry Cudlow was interviewing Secretary of Treasury, Scott

2:12.4

Besant, and they talked about the Ricardian equivalent in the context of trade, which is something that actually doesn't exist at all.

2:20.0

So I was thinking, oh, what's happening to this poor Ricardo, whose ideas are being overused, probably, and butchered?

2:29.7

I want to stay with David Ricardo then.

2:31.6

We'll stay with the 18th, 19th century. David Ricardo was

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