Tap Into Your Vulnerability with Matt Barnes and Stephen Jackson

IMO with Michelle Obama and Craig Robinson

Higher Ground

Relationships, Society & Culture, Education, Self-improvement

4.4 • 9.1K Ratings

🗓️ 15 October 2025

⏱️ 85 minutes

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This week on IMO, Craig and Michelle are joined by basketball legends and fellow podcasters Matt Barnes and Stephen Jackson. The two discuss their careers on the court, how they have evolved both personally and professionally since retiring from basketball, and the steps they are taking to embrace the type of healthy masculinity they want for their own sons.

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0:00.0	Your mom got to work at six in the morning.
0:01.4	She gets off at six in the evening.
0:02.4	You don't even see her when you get off from school.
0:04.0	So I've seen the dedication that she put, but she also never demeaned my father.
0:08.8	Yeah. She never demeaned him in no type of way. I never spoke bad of them. So when I start having my own kids, you know, when I- And you got a lot of them. I got a lot of them. Do you do?
0:16.5	I got six girls.
0:17.6	17?
0:18.4	Okay.
0:18.9	No, I don't have no 17 kids.
0:21.4	Okay.
0:22.0	I got five girls in my own.
0:24.8	One. I got six girls. 17? Okay. No, I don't have no 17 kids.
0:21.4	Okay.
0:22.0	I got five girls alone, one out of marriage, and I got two boys.
0:28.2	This episode is brought to you by Rivian and Colagard.
0:38.0	Michelle Obama.
0:39.4	Hi, Craig. How are you feeling today?
0:41.4	I feel terrific. Is that crochet?
0:46.2	You would be better telling than I would. Do you like that?
0:49.3	It's very, it's mesh. It's either knit or...
0:53.2	Very fancy with your little silver buttons.
0:56.4	I tell people all the time the hardest part about this job is keeping up with your wardrobe.
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