From KCRW Santa Monica and KCRW.com, it's The Treatment.

Welcome to the treatment, the home edition. I'm Elvis Mitchell. Now, I'm thrilled to be talking

to the author of Naturally Tan, more importantly,

a Salt Lake City lover, and most recently, the host of a masterclass on personal style. Of course,

I'm talking to Tan, France. Tan, thanks so much for doing this. Of course, thanks so much

for having me. A lot of the stuff you do in this master class that you're doing, that your style

rules that you're offering,

are basically the same as your rules were going on our first date, which is don't overdo it,

convey confidence, be as fresh as a daisy. You know, I didn't realize that I had also written

that in my book about my first dates here in America, but it just goes to show that those practices are tried

and true, and it's definitely how I still feel. I think that if you really are wanting to be taken

seriously, you really do have to make an effort. And it's funny, I think that so many people,

before I started harping on and on about this just thought

that it was frivolous and it was and it was shallow to care about what you look like.

But I've tried at every turn to show people that it's so much more than just having the

latest cool style that you're wearing or it's just it's not just surface it means so much

more to yourself and others when you care about what you put on your body i guess i just really

sort of touched by it too because you turn a master class into something really autobiographical

you touch on the whole thing about going to visit your grandfather's

denim factory, which is a big part of the book. And I was wondering if that was basically the

way you've always led your life is to kind of make it basically once you came out in your

tourneys and make everything as honest as it could possibly be, including your sense of personal

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