From KCRW Santa Monica and KCRW.com, it's The Treatment.

Welcome to the treatment.

I'm Elvis Mitchell, of course, doing the Home Edition.

Speaking with my guest who is apparently protected, of not quite blessed in a church somewhere in rural Massachusetts,

the artist photographer Gregory Crudson, whose new exhibition of photography and eclipse of moths is at Kogosian Gallery in Beverly Hills.

Gregory, thank you so much you're doing the show.

It's a great pleasure to be here.

Again, you have a low threshold for pleasure, but I'm not going to hold it against you with you in a church.

I will say this to you, though.

What I've always found so striking about the photos is that they remind me of the moment in the dream

just before you wake up, everything feels crystal clear and almost normal but not quite.

Yeah, well, welcome to my dream world.

You know, we are just discussing off-air movies.

And, you know, my photographs had the advantage of having no before and after.

So whatever story they tell remains a question or a mystery.

And rather than seeing that as a limitation, for me, I feel that that's part of the power of still photographs,

is that they kind of exist in that in-between place,

between something that might have happened or might happen, I guess, you could say.

I disagree a little bit about their having no before and after because I think what's so thrilling about them is as viewers as participants really, we get to bring our own stories to them.

And I think they're really full of portent.

And they're so often, I guess what I recall, ominous skies in your photographs.

Yeah, maybe to clarify what I meant was perhaps the pictures are a mystery to me in terms of

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