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The Interview

Tamir Pardo: Does Israel's greatest threat come from within?

The Interview

BBC

News, Government, Politics

4.3537 Ratings

🗓️ 9 October 2024

⏱️ 23 minutes

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Summary

Stephen Sackur speaks to Tamir Pardo, former director of the Israeli intelligence agency Mossad. He was appointed by Benjamin Netanyahu but now he’s a fierce critic of the Israeli Prime Minister. When he says the greatest threat to Israel’s future comes from within, what does he mean?

Transcript

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0:00.0

Welcome to Hard Talk from the BBC World Service with me, Stephen Saker.

0:04.4

My guest today is a member of Israel's national security elite,

0:08.7

a former Special Forces soldier who took part in the dramatic hostage rescue at Entebbe Airport in 1976,

0:16.1

who then went on to become Director of the Intelligence service Mossad. Tamir Pardo was appointed

0:22.6

to that job by bin Yamin Netanyahu, but the relationship between the two soured as they

0:28.4

differed on how to counter the perceived nuclear threat from Iran. And now, with Pardo, a private

0:34.9

citizen and Netanyahu leading a government fighting a multi-front war,

0:40.5

they've come to represent the depth of division and polarization within Israel.

0:46.0

The Prime Minister is intent on applying overwhelming force to eliminate Hamas in Gaza and

0:52.2

Hezbollah in Lebanon. He's also promised to make Iran pay for the

0:56.9

recent firing of almost 200 ballistic missiles into Israel. For the past year and more, Mr. Pardo

1:03.8

has been one of Netanyahu's fiercest critics, accusing him of pursuing a military strategy

1:10.0

lacking any strategic vision.

1:13.3

Israel's peaceful democratic future, Pardo insists, depends on confronting an unavoidable reality.

1:21.1

The Palestinian people have rights, and those rights must be recognized in a territorial compromise.

1:28.5

Such a settlement, he says, is the only way to safeguard the future of Israel.

1:34.2

With the IDF fighting on multiple fronts, can the country afford the kind of soul-searching that Pardo demands?

1:43.1

Well, he joins me now. Tamir Pardo, welcome to Hard Talk.

1:47.8

Thank you. Thank you very much. Let's start with that concept of a multi-front war. Israel is, of course, at war in Gaza.

1:56.5

It's at war in Lebanon now, and it is in a de facto war with Iran, which is unfolding day by day.

2:05.8

In your view, are any of those fronts avoidable?

2:10.2

You can add the hooties in Yemen.

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