Do you have a favorite? Not meant to, but mostly the unloved ones, the unvisited ones, the cases that get dusty and ignored.

All the broken and shunned creatures.

Someone's got to care for them.

Who shall it be if not us?

Yes. Welcome to Roon soup, a weekly podcast about magic, culture and the very best new and old ideas for living in this world, coming to you from 43 degrees south on a small farm in deepest Tasmania.

My name is Gordon and I shall be your host.

This week we welcome to the show Ryan Edward. Ryan is an artist, designer and deck creator.

In fact, he is responsible for one of my favorite Llanorman decks, the maybe Linnormand.

He joins us a day to talk through the process of debt creation, how design informs fortune-telling

function, the story of the L-Norman cards through time, the difference between divination and fortune telling, and also what it was like growing up in a funeral home.

Enjoy.

Ryan, thank you very much for your time.

Thank you so much for having me.

Yeah, nice one.

I've been looking forward to this discussion for a little while

because it's about one of my favorite things.

However, and before we get to it... because it's about one of my favorite things.

However, and before we get to it,

your first-time guest, you get the first-time question,

Ryan, were you a weird kid?

I was waiting for this.

Yeah, absolutely, definitely. I mean, I think all kids are a little weird, but I was, yeah, I would say I was exceptionally weird. I think part of that's maybe just due to circumstance,

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