I'm dedicated to being uncomfortable because I can't I can't heal and it's also very Jewish of me but I just I can't heal otherwise you know like I

If I'm not if I'm not willing to be confronted or and loved it's uncomfortable to be loved in certain ways it's uncomfortable. You know all of that stuff like I have to be okay with being

being challenged and to be compassionate with myself through those challenges.

And for anyone who's wanting to use this practice as a tool for their own liberation and healing

It's like not you don't want to check out of the work we have to do but we also don't want to pathologize

ourselves or each other because of it. I'm Autumn Brown a queer science

fiction writer, a theologian, a mother of dragons. a

mother of dragons and a healing justice facilitator for social movements

living in rural Minnesota.

And I'm Adrian Marie Brown, author of Emergent Strategy, co-editor of Octavia's brood,

writer, facilitator of Black Liberation Work, Auntie Extraordinair, Dula, and Pleasure Activist

living in Detroit.

And this is how to survive the end of the world.

Our podcast about learning from apocalypse with grace, rigor, and curiosity.

Hello beautiful listeners, this is Adrian,

and I just want to give you a little heads up about this episode we're heading into.

We are about to interview Chani Nicholas who is an incredible astrologer with a particularly radical framework on how she reads the

stars and how she translates them to us and helps us understand what we need to be paying attention to.

And I wanted to offer our Octavia Butler quote for this episode, and it is, our destiny is to take root amongst the stars.

And I think there's a lot of ways of reading this quote.

I have definitely read it as, you know, let's leave our planet and go off into the stars and at other times,

oh wait, this is our planet.

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