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Cult Conversations: The Influence Continuum with Dr. Steve Hassan

Taking on Sexual Misconduct in Spiritual Communities with Attorney Carol Merchasin

Cult Conversations: The Influence Continuum with Dr. Steve Hassan

Dr. Steven Hassan

Self-improvement, Society & Culture, Education

4.8684 Ratings

🗓️ 6 January 2025

⏱️ 66 minutes

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Summary

Carol highlights the urgent need to reform the law, especially concerning coercion and control in legislative practices. She focuses exclusively on clients who have endured sexual abuse and coercion within cultic groups—not because other forms of abuse are absent, but because the law currently recognizes and addresses this specific type of abuse. The legal system inadequately acknowledges coercion in cases where individuals surrender significant amounts of money to cults or relinquish their rights to education, marriage, parenthood, or the choice not to have children. The law appears to narrowly define coercion, primarily in the context of sexual exploitation. The law also fails to recognize the deception involved when individuals are promised enlightenment through sexual relations with cult leaders, as it does not categorize this as fraud due to its religious context. There should be a legal distinction between legitimate religions deserving of tax exemptions and those that systematically defraud, enslave, or control individuals through coercion. We should not grant tax benefits to organizations that violate the law. Yet, currently, there is no clear standard for religious tax exemptions beyond the essential requirement that organizations do not operate as commercial enterprises. Merchasin is a former partner at Morgan, Lewis, and Bockius in Philadelphia, where she was an employment lawyer investigating issues of sexual misconduct in the workplace. She is currently the head of Sexual Misconduct in Spiritual Communities Counsel at the law firm of McAllister Olivarius, which represents survivors of sexual misconduct in cults and spiritual communities. Check out this important interview. Learn more about Steven Hassan and Freedom of Mind Resource Center. Visit freedomofmind.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

Hello, I'm Dr. Stephen Hassan with another episode of the influence continuum.

0:08.0

And I'm very, very happy to have as my guest today, Carol Murchison.

0:14.0

Carol is a dynamo, to say the least.

0:18.0

Carol, you and I have met several times in different places at cult conferences.

0:26.6

And I just love your energy, your passion, and your desire to make the law work for victims of undue influence, particularly sexual violence and

0:40.3

psychological coercion. You're a former partner at Morgan Lewis in Philadelphia, where you were

0:49.3

an employment lawyer investigating issues of sexual misconduct in the workplace.

0:55.4

Look, you're currently the head of a practice group at the law firm of McAllister O'Levarius

1:01.1

that represents survivors of sexual misconduct in cults and spiritual communities.

1:08.5

And with that, Carol, all I can say is we need you, we need more lawyers to

1:15.8

understand brainwashing mind control, undue influence, the forces that go into the

1:23.7

the silencing of people who have had a terrible experience.

1:32.4

And so I want to pick your brain, and I want you to share your backstory to start.

1:39.5

I remember when we first met you said, I was retired,

1:43.6

and then I came out of retirement because I realized there was a lot more work I wanted to do.

1:50.0

So take it away.

1:51.2

So take it from there.

1:52.5

Thank you, Steve.

1:54.3

Yes, I was an employment lawyer.

1:56.7

I did investigations in the workplace.

1:59.5

And then I did. I retired. in the workplace. And then I did.

2:01.8

I retired.

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