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Cult Conversations: The Influence Continuum with Dr. Steve Hassan

Shame-Sex Attraction: Survivors' Stories of Conversion Therapy with Lucas Wilson

Cult Conversations: The Influence Continuum with Dr. Steve Hassan

Dr. Steven Hassan

Self-improvement, Society & Culture, Education

4.8 • 684 Ratings

🗓️ 13 January 2025

⏱️ 60 minutes

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Summary

"Conversion therapy"—a discredited practice that purports to change an individual's sexual orientation and/or gender identification and expression—has harmed countless lives under the guise of morality. I spoke to Lucas Wilson, an SSHRC Postdoctoral Fellow at the University of Toronto Mississauga, as he shared his harrowing experience with "conversion therapy" at Liberty University. His story serves as a testament to the perseverance of the unique human spirit and a warning against the devastating impacts of undue influence. A scholar, editor, and advocate, Wilson's work sheds light on the intersections of evangelicalism, homophobia, and trauma. He is the editor of the forthcoming Shame-Sex Attraction: Survivors' Stories of Conversion Therapy, which compiles narratives from 17 contributors, offering diverse perspectives on a practice that major medical, psychiatric, and psychological organizations have condemned. A recent Canadian study cited by Wilson underscores the two most impactful ways to support survivors of "conversion therapy": listening without judgment and reconnecting with affirming communities. Survivors benefit immensely from being heard and validated. Listening affirms their experiences and begins the process of rebuilding trust. Additionally, reconnecting with a supportive queer community provides a safe space for healing and affirmation, countering the isolation imposed by conversion practices. Wilson's story is not just about survival but also about transformation. It highlights the dangers of unhealthy influence while demonstrating the power of education, community, and self-acceptance. As conversations around "conversion therapy" and undue influence continue, stories like Wilson's remind us of the urgent need for advocacy and awareness. Together, we can create a world where everyone can live authentically without fear or shame. Learn more about Steven Hassan and Freedom of Mind Resource Center. Visit freedomofmind.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

Hello, I'm Dr. Stephen Hassan with another episode of my podcast, which we've renamed to

0:10.5

be Cult Conversations, in the influence continuum with Dr. Steve Hassan.

0:17.1

And today we have a very interesting guest, Lucas Wilson, is the Shirk Postdoctoral Fellow at the University of Toronto, Mississauga, and was formerly the Justice, Equity and Transformation Postdoctoral Fellow at the University of Calgary.

0:35.9

He's the editor of a new book that I'm very interested to talk

0:40.0

with him about called shame, sex attraction, as opposed to ha-ha, same-sex attraction. Sorry,

0:48.6

I couldn't help that. Survivor's Stories of Conversion Therapy. And Lucas is also the author of At Home with the Holocaust,

0:57.5

post-memory domestic space and second-generation Holocaust literature,

1:02.5

which received the Jordan Schnitzer First Book Publication Award.

1:07.2

Your public-facing writing has appeared in all kinds of publications,

1:12.2

including The Advocate, QWERTY, LGBTQ Nation, Religion Dispatches, and other venues.

1:19.0

And you're currently working on two interrelated monograph projects

1:22.9

that examine evangelical homophobia and transphobia

1:27.7

in the United States.

1:30.0

So Lucas, I should say that John Sawyer,

1:36.3

someone that I interviewed about his experience

1:39.7

with exorcism and craziness introduced me to you,

1:43.9

and I immediately was like, yes, I want Lucas on.

1:48.2

And I have written previously how conversion therapy is not therapy.

1:53.7

It's brainwashing and it doesn't work.

1:56.7

You can tell people that they're not gay and indoctrinate them, but it just doesn't work

2:03.2

because people are gay. With that, forgive my ramblings a little bit, Lucas. So did you have a

2:14.4

personal experience that caused you to want to do this volume?

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