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This is CBSI on the world. I'm John Batchel.

Elbridge Colby, congratulations.

The new Undersecretary of Defense for Policy in the Trump administration, a very worthy policy intellectual.

I've spoken to Bridge many times over the years.

His book about the strategy of denial is a game plan for how to deal with China's ambitions

to overwhelm the First Island chain and move against the Pacific Ocean Basin entirely in the near future.

I welcome Grant Nusheum, who's the author of When China Attacks and knows China's war plans very well.

He's game them out.

However, we're going to put Albert Colby's remarks about Taiwan together with Grant Nusheum's read of the People's Republic of China's ambitions in the Pacific.

Grant, a very good evening to you, writing most recently at the Sun magazine, the Sun newspaper, New York Sun.

You present the case that Albert Colby has made remarks that Taiwan is important, but it's not existential. Your case is that Taiwan is

existential. Why defend it? What do we tell the American people why we're going to put

blood and treasure on the line to keep that country free? Good evening to you. Well, good evening,

John. Well, the bottom line, if Taiwan comes under Chinese communist

control, the United States is finished in Asia, will be finished as a global power, and ultimately,

it will come under Chinese communist domination. The Chinese may not show up with tanks in

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