Welcome to the Conversations that Matter Podcast. I'm your host John Harris as

promised we're going to talk about the T4G panel discussion on critical

race theory. I haven't listened to it and I know that helps some of you if I go

through it with you for the first time I'm going to pick out questions and observations and things

to bring up that I would maybe bring up in the moment and many of you are in situations like that at church

or at conferences where our seminary classrooms

you're gonna have to bring it up right there.

You know, how does John think about this stuff?

I don't have a million years to pour over these things and categorize everything.

I need to in the moment kind of look for certain things and I'll tell you what those things

are as we go through this. So I'm hoping it's going to be a good panel but I have my

suspicions that it might not hit all the right notes and one of the reasons for that

is because I know it's going to have to come from Kevin DeYoung. It's not going to

come from Mark Devver. It's not going to come who's the other guy on this panel? The other guy on this panel is... Oh it doesn't say. I guess

I'll find out in a minute. There's three people on this panel. So it's gonna, my suspicion

though is if there's gonna be pushback against CRT, it's gonna have to be from Kevin

DeYoung. Now the thing is Kevin DeYoung has been

negligible, irrelevant in my opinion mostly to this whole issue. He wrote one good article on reparations from what I understand,

but everything else has just been either too general or too vague. He doesn't name names.

He doesn't give specifics. he's not an ally for critical

race theory nor is he an ally for the anti-critical race theory folks and it's just

confusing for people let me show you what I mean by that here Here's and this isn't exhaustive but let me just show you some of the

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