Oh my god, hi, it's me Dave Holmes.

Welcome to Troubled Waters.

The show that treats popular culture is the most important kind of culture

because it's the kind of culture that gave us Celine Dion walking out on stage of the Grammys

and Taylor Swift a little bit ignoring her, which was kind of weird.

To this end, Troubled Waters pits, a pair of entertainers against one another

in a pop culture battle to the ego death.

To win this battle, each guest will be called upon to use their smarts, their rhetorical

skills, the great comebacks they've been saving in a fabulous E-ink notebook like I have right here.

To earn the coveted troubled waters title Pundit Emeritus, which will

automatically give their opinion on how Tracy Chapman's fast car has the ability and really

the responsibility to heal our broken world, more weight than a civilians.

I couldn't even get that line out.

I was so passionate about it.

You're listening to Troubled Waters. Now let's meet our guests.

Our first contestant is a comedian.

His podcast Soundheap is joining the Max Fun Fam.

Troubled Waters writer and favorite writer and favorite, John Luke Roberts. How are you?

I'm good. Thank you for having me. It's a pleasure to be here. It is a delight to have you.

Over on this side of the microphone and camera. It's certainly a different feeling. I feel more exposed. I no longer have

my pen to fight my corner. I have to do it with my mouth, which is obviously more difficult.

My wits, yeah, my wits. Your wits and your Winona Ryder's shirt. Yes. You are wearing a shirt

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