Oh my god, you scared me.

It's me Dave Holmes.

Welcome to Troubled Waters.

The show that treats popular culture as the most important kind of culture, because, well, I mean,

it's the one we're arguing about this week, isn't it?

To this end, Troubled Waters pits a pair of entertainers against one another in a pop culture

battle to the ego death.

To win this battle, each of our guests will be called upon to use their smarts,

their rhetorical skills, the great comebacks they've been saving in a remarkable two.

Tablet without distraction. I just got one. I really like it. Anyway, to earn the coveted troubled

waters title, Pundit Emeritus, which will automatically give their opinion on how right you are

about people's Oscar thoughts, more weight than a civilians. My guy, it's, I know that it's a

snub, but like they're both doing fine. Margot Robbie and Greta Gerrug are both doing fine.

They made like a bill, like a lot of money in their beloved and it's fine.

It's fine.

You should worry about Andrew Scott.

That's the fucking snub.

Anyway, you're listening to Troubled Waters. Let's meet our guests.

Our first contestant is the host of Comfort Creatures here on Max Fun, and her debut novel,

Rapunzella will be out here in the U.S. on June 11th.

Her second novel, The Map That Led to You, will be out in April.

It is Ella McLeod.

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