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Syria Was Putin’s Testing Ground

What Next | Daily News and Analysis

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4.32.4K Ratings

🗓️ 24 March 2022

⏱️ 25 minutes

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Summary

Russia’s indiscriminate shelling of civilian targets in Ukraine is eerily reminiscent of its involvement in the war in Syria, where the goal was to crush civilian morale amid an uprising against Syrian President Bashar al-Assad. How did top global powers allow Russian President Vladimir Putin to be successful in Syria? Are there signs that he’ll enjoy similar success now, in Ukraine? 

Guest: William Wechsler, senior director of the Rafik Hariri Center and Middle East Programs at the Atlantic Council.

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The images I can't shake, one I think of what's going on in Ukraine right now, come out of

0:41.6

Mary Ubal. Mary Ubal is a port city in Ukraine's south. It's been fighting off Russian aggression

0:51.3

since the war first broke out here in 2014. But the combat there now is different, more brutal,

1:00.9

more complete. The Associated Press had video journalists embedded there until recently.

1:08.4

They captured these images of pregnant mothers being carted out of a maternity ward after

1:14.5

it got bombed. The reporters kept filming as one mom who just lost some of her toes

1:21.6

had an emergency C-section. The baby survived. The doctors cried out with joy. And then minutes

1:40.9

later, vomit started up again. Now, Mary Ubal has been described as 90% destroyed. And

1:52.4

the last EU diplomat to leave this city said Mary Ubal is no more.

2:03.9

William Wexler, a scholar who's been following this conflict. He says, what's happening

2:09.6

here? It makes a grim kind of sense.

2:14.4

Crushing an opponent into submission has worked since the beginning of time.

2:20.7

Will is actually an expert on the Middle East. He directs the Atlantic Council's Refique

2:24.9

Career Center. But he says he's paying attention to what's going on in Ukraine because

2:30.8

what happens here is likely to reset the global order for at least a decade. Also, because

2:37.7

what he's seeing in the city of Mary Ubal and elsewhere, it's familiar to him. It reminds

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