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This is CBSI in the world. I'm John Bachel.

With David McCloskey, his work of fiction, a novel, is a thriller. CIA thriller you could

say, but it's a thriller of modern Syria, unfinished business. Damascus Station, praised by

David Patrest, praised by Leon Panetta. But then again, they were in office during this period

where there was nothing to be done with the scale of tragedy. There is horror in your book,

David, and you mean it to be there because what I know of reporting about Syria these many years,

the Syrian regime, the Mukbaharat or whatever drives them are monsters. And the abuse of human

beings is infamous. And you make it very clear that there are no limits. Again and again, you come

up against villains worrying about losing their soul or I've lost my soul. The despair is here.

So your lessons learned, David, having pulled the American, the virtue of American gambler through all of this,

does it touch a character to spend so much of his energy going up against monsters?

Did you think about Sam in his relationship towards Syria? It made me feel now and again reading the book

soiled as if why am I here? What am I doing? This is this is deviltry and I'm in Hades.

Well, I think, you know, the book was really born out of

some emotional processing that I was doing when I left the agency about what I had seen

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