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Swalwell, Blanche, Bondi & Presidential Records Act (with Mimi Rocah)

Stay Tuned with Preet

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🗓️ 14 April 2026

⏱️ 14 minutes

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Summary

Can the Department of Justice declare a law unconstitutional? On this week’s Insider podcast, former Westchester County, New York, District Attorney Mimi Rocah joins Joyce Vance to discuss the Office of Legal Counsel opinion declaring the Presidential Records Act (PRA) unconstitutional. This segment is available for free to listeners of Stay Tuned. To hear the full episode, become a member at cafe.com/insider or staytuned.substack.com/subscribe. You’ll also get access to other exclusive content. Topics covered in the full episode:  – The Manhattan DA’s criminal investigation into sexual misconduct allegations against Representative Eric Swalwell prompting him to resign; – Acting Attorney General Todd Blanche’s comments furthering President Trump’s election fraud claims; and – Former AG Pam Bondi’s argument that she’s not required to comply with a congressional subpoena for testimony about her handling of the Jeffrey Epstein files release since she no longer holds the role. CAFE Insiders click HERE to listen to the full analysis.  Subscribe to our YouTube channel. This podcast is brought to you by CAFE and Vox Media Podcast Network.  Executive Producer: Tamara Sepper; Supervising Producer: Jake Kaplan; Associate Producer: Claudia Hernández; Senior Audio Producer: Matthew Billy; CAFE Team: Celine Rohr, Nat Weiner, Jennifer Indig, and Liana Greenway. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

Hey folks, Joyce Vance here. Preet is traveling this week, so today I'm joined by our friend and

0:07.0

colleague Mimi Roka for a new episode of The Insider podcast, and we're sharing an excerpt with listeners of

0:13.1

Stay tuned. Mimi is the former district attorney for Westchester County, New York, and a former

0:18.3

assistant U.S. attorney for the Southern District of New York.

0:21.5

Now she's a law professor at Fordham School of Law, and she writes a monthly column for the

0:26.0

Stay Tuned with Prete substack.

0:28.0

Mimi joins me to talk about the Manhattan DA's investigation into sexual assault accusations

0:33.6

against Representative Eric Swalwell.

0:35.8

Then we turn to an OLC opinion that deemed the Presidential Records Act unconstitutional.

0:41.9

Finally, we discussed the former and acting attorneys general, Pam Bondi and Todd Blanche.

0:47.6

If you're a Cafe Insider, you can hear the full conversation now in the insider feed.

0:53.0

And if you're not yet a member, we hope you'll

0:55.3

join our community of reasonable people living in unreasonable times. Insiders help support our work

1:01.4

and get access to complete episodes and other subscriber benefits. Head to cafe.com slash insider

1:07.8

or stay tuned.substack.com. Now, on to the show.

1:16.8

So let's talk a little bit about the Presidential Records Act. This is a little bit of

1:21.7

arcane legal stuff and not something that we typically discuss, but it goes back to Watergate because in 1978,

1:30.1

in the wake of Watergate, Congress passes a law that makes all of the president's records.

1:36.2

They become property of the United States, not of the president.

1:40.1

They're explicitly not personal property of the officials, president, vice presidents, their

1:45.5

staffs whose desks they cross. And the law mandates that they be transferred to the National

1:52.1

Archives and Records Administration, NARA, as soon as the president leaves office. But now,

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