Welcome to Betrayal Trauma Recovery. This is Anne. I have Dave Kali, the host of the Cole

podcast, which was produced by KSL on this week. This is a continuation of the last week's podcast. So if you didn't listen to last week's podcast.

So if you didn't listen to last week's episode, please go back.

Listen to that one first and then join us here today,

so you'll be caught up to speed.

Welcome back, Dave.

Thanks so much, Anna. Welcome back, Dave.

Thanks so much, Anna. I really appreciate it.

All right, so we've talked about the psychological abuse

that Susan endured.

We've talked about how she didn't recognize it.

I want to talk about Josh's behavior after the

murder, which I think is really interesting. It's similar to many abusers

after a divorce, actually. They blame their situation on their victim. They continue to lie and hide and manipulate people. And in Josh's case, he had this huge crime and all these people looking at him and reporters trying to investigate. In my case there's been nothing. Nobody's been trying to

investigate or find the truth or anything and so he's still an attorney and he's still doing his job and he's still lying

about me and saying stuff that's not true.

So for example, his current congregation thinks that he's this amazing saint and that his crazy

ex-wife has done him wrong and they feel so bad that he's this victim. So even in this case with Josh Powell,

where there's a murder and someone is missing and all these police are trying to find the cause and you've got all these

reporters who are investigating and still Josh is walking around. He's got his kids, he's still like functioning sort of, I mean he's not functioning super well obviously but he's still

walking around he's still free now he's got a lot of eyes on him so his neighbors are probably looking at him weird I'm sure his life was miserable

So even in his case he wasn't immediately like struck by lightning or hit by a bus or put in jail.

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