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Bloomberg this was going to be a timely interview,

and then it got more timely, and that occurred last night.

Laura Brown is with us, her study at the Graduate School

of Political Management at George Washington is on presidential

let's call it discourse the book describes it all amateur hour presidential character

in the question of leadership.

Laura, I was watching the show last night and I thought of you,

you've got to be kidding me.

Were you taking notes during the president's press conference,

I guess I'd call it.

I will tell you I was having many heart attacks

about every two seconds.

His speech, which was just full of bald-faced lies, was so frustrating and disheartening

for anyone who believes in the sacredness of the vote and the process of democracy.

It was stunning to me to watch a president from the White House claiming that there was widespread fraud.

I look Laura at the history of this and I'm going to go to late Andrew Jackson

where he really fell apart in the great Roger Remony of Illinois and his three volumes on Jackson.

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