What do you see on the horizon? Uncertainty or opportunity?

Whatever you see at PGM, we can help you rise to the challenges of today

when active investing and disciplined risk management are needed most.

Drawing on deep expertise across the world's public and private markets

in pursuit of long-term returns.

Our investments shape tomorrow today.

Pissue your tomorrow with PGM, a leading global asset manager.

Welcome to the Bloomberg's surveillance podcast, I'm Tom Keane,

along with Jonathan Farrell and Lisa Abramowitz.

Daily, we bring you insight from the best,

an economics finance investment and international relations

to find Bloomberg's surveillance.

An Apple podcast suncloud, Bloomberg.com, and of course,

on the Bloomberg terminal.

Let's get right to it this morning here with an important conversation

with the White House.

And what's so important here at John and Lisa is we all know

they're people that finesse their way into 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.

And there's others that lean over the desk and just grind out work.

That's been the path of Brian Deese, director of National Economic Council,

and most importantly of Middlebury and Yale.

And then he went to work, John, and actually went from task to task

...