I go on a weekly dinner date with my daughter.

She's eight.

I love it.

It's just short and sweet, but it's just our ritual every week.

And so for you months ago, we're sitting in the restaurant, we're having dinner, and I

ask her like, so Ella, do you actually know what I do at work all day?

And she just very, matter of fact, very quickly answered, yeah, Mom, you see did you computer

and you laugh?

So there's this myth about being a grown-up, especially being a parent, that it's a time

where the play's gonna end and the series work begins.

That laughter and surprise and curiosity and spontaneity, very often the things that

got you where you are, well that all needs to see to, you know, more responsible behavior.

What if the exact opposite was true?

What if the real secret to a life well lived was to never let them go, better yet, to build

your waking hours around them?

Well that's what we're talking about on today's episode.

I'm Jonathan Field.

This is Good Life Project.

My guest today is Kina Ralai's birth.

Over the last nine years, she's founded a Design-Turn-Life-Stop-Log.

A breakfast conference for creative pros now hosted in more than a hundred countries

around the world every month.

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