Hey, everybody. My guest today is my friend and colleague, Dr. Joseph Lattabo. Dr. Lattabo,

MD and PhD, is the state surgeon general of Florida. He also serves the professor of medicine

at the University of Florida, where his research examines behavioral, economic strategies to

reduce cardiovascular risk in low income and disadvantaged populations. His research has been

much published and it is supported by the National Institute of Health. The Robert Wood Johnson

Foundation, he's written about smoking, weight loss and other interventions, non-medical interventions

for improving health and reducing coronary disease. He's been published in the Journal of the

American Medical Association and many, many other eminent journals. He graduated from Wake Forest,

received his medical degree from Harvard and a PhD in health policy from the Harvard Graduate

School of Arts and Sciences. He completed his clinical training in Internal Medicine at the

Bath, Israel, Deakinis Medical Center, where he received Harvard Medical School's Class of 2012

Resident Teaching Award and he's got so many other credentials and awards and qualifications

here that I just can't read them all on this podcast. But all of those credentials are probably

the least impressive thing about Joe Lattabo to me and the most impressive thing is that

he's probably the only health commissioner or director in the country that was not

subsumed in the orthodoxy that did not give in to the fear which added disabling effect on

critical thinking during the pandemic and caused people to simply do what they were told and

comply with the official orthodoxies rather than ask common sense questions and do personal first

original research, talked to doctors, talked to epidemiologists, to independent thinkers and

try to figure out how do we actually treat this pandemic and Dr. Lattabo has a new book out which

I've written the introduction called it's called Transcend Fear and it's a very apropos tidal

because it really explains that dynamic how to preserve your capacity for critical thinking during

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