Supplementary Material 39: Bad Guys, Panpsychists, and Sensemakers

Decoding the Gurus

Christopher Kavanagh and Matthew Browne

Science, Leisure, Social Sciences, Society & Culture

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🗓️ 1 November 2025

⏱️ 38 minutes

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Summary

Chris and Matt walk into a bar with an atheist sensemaker, an Ayurvedic Guru, and a Christian Apologist, and predictable frivolities ensue. Featuring not one but two good-natured, robust exchanges of opinion between our two hosts.

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Supplementary Material 39: Panpsychics, Sensemakers, and Bad Guys

00:00 Introduction

01:17 AI and the Music Industry

05:34 Is Chris a Bad Guy?

10:44 Vibe Physics with Travis Kalanick

16:10 Efforts to Falsify and AI

21:02 Gordon Pennycook with Sean Carroll: Vibes vs Analysis

32:44 Libertarianism and Personal Beliefs

35:10 A mini-debate on internal consistency

42:49 Matt's Personal Philosophy

44:16 Philosophical Feedback on the Sensemakers

55:06 Atheist vs Christian vs Spiritual Thinker

57:03 Dr. K's Role in the Discussion

01:09:01 Alex's Stance on Purpose

01:12:31 Dr. K's Perspective on Purpose

01:23:45 Dr. K and the Atheist pose

01:34:29 Philosophical Musings on Panpsychism

01:41:18 Outro

Sources

Angela Collier: Conspiracy physics and you (and also me)
All In Podcast: Travis Kalanick talks about AI (July 11, 2025)
333 | Gordon Pennycook on Unthinkingness, Conspiracies, and What to Do About Them
Pennycook, G., Cheyne, J. A., Barr, N., Koehler, D. J., & Fugelsang, J. A. (2015). On the reception and detection of pseudo-profound bullshit. Judgment and Decision Making, 10(6), 549-563.
The Diary of a CEO: Atheist vs Christian vs Spiritual Thinker: Is Not Believing In God Causing More Harm Than Good?!

Transcript

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0:00.0	I'm
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0:03.0	I'm
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0:05.0	I'm
0:07.0	. Hello and welcome to decoding the guru's supplementary material edition.
0:34.5	This is the sister podcast to the globally renowned, hugely successful main podcast
0:40.7	The Coding the Gurus, where a psychologist and a kind of anthropologist discuss secular
0:48.5	gurus. But here, Matt, anything goes. Firmatically, we try to keep it sort of tight,
0:54.0	but we can do whatever we like. anything goes. Thematically, we try to keep it sort of tight,
0:57.7	but we can do whatever we like.
0:59.3	Hello, how are you doing?
0:59.9	I'm doing.
1:02.1	Yeah, we can drink if we like.
1:05.0	We can swear if we like.
1:06.4	We can talk about bouldering.
1:07.9	You want to do an episode just about?
1:09.7	No, nobody wants that, Chris.
1:11.6	Nobody wants that. Nobody does want that.
1:12.6	Just you and the spiders.
1:14.6	That's right.
1:16.6	Actually, I do have a thematically relevant point about topics that we normally cover,
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