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Hello and welcome back to the Americano show.

My name is Freddie Gray.

I am the deputy editor of the Spectator and the US editor.

And I'm pleased to tell you that this is the 10th year of the Americano podcast.

And I think it's fair to say it's been a fairly fascinating time in American politics, life and culture.

And that's what we talk about every episode on this podcast. So please keep listening

and provide as much feedback as you like. Today I am delighted to be joined here in the

spectators offices by Nate Suarez, who is president of the Machine Intelligence Research Institute

at Berkeley, California.

And he's also the author of a very famous book about artificial intelligence

and the threat of artificial intelligence, which is called If Anyone Builds It, Everyone Dies.

And Nate, thank you very much for coming in.

I thought I would start by asking about the Pope's encyclical, because Pope Leo has written his first

encyclical.

It's called Magnifica Humanitas.

And it's about the threat and danger of AI and how to preserve human dignity in an age of AI.

And he starts the encyclical by framing humanity as being at a crossroads

and saying we can either build the Tower of Babel or we can build a future in which God and

mankind can live peacefully.

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