Sunday Nice Things: Taylor Isn't a Tradwife

Under the Influence with Jo Piazza

Jo Piazza, Influence Inc.

Society & Culture, Kids & Family, Parenting, Personal Journals, Technology

4.3 • 833 Ratings

🗓️ 19 October 2025

⏱️ 33 minutes

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Summary

Taylor Swift isn’t a tradwife. She’s the opposite. She’s a woman who waited, who dated the douchebags, found herself, built an empire, and then finally chose a partner who celebrates her, supports her, and will never be her glass ceiling. That’s the story we should be talking about, the one that actually matters for young women. If you are a person who wants a partner, it is wonderful to wait for the right person and to find a good man. My best girlfriend Jackie Cascarano of Juno Women's Collective and I dig into why Taylor and Travis’s relationship is such a powerful example for young women, and why it’s time to stop calling every woman who wants marriage and kids a tradwife, as if wanting those things somehow cancels out your feminism. We also get into the fragile male ego, the madness of Bama Rush, and the weird ways social media keeps shaping what it means to be a woman right now. Read the WSJ story about Bama Rush here. Join our newsletter community here. ORDER EVERYONE IS LYING TO YOU here. Visit our lovely sponsors here. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:19.0	Hey all, Joe here and you are listening to Under the Influence.
0:25.4	I've been on the road a lot and I've heard from so many of you when I've gotten to see you in person
0:30.1	and enjoy cheese and spicy margaritas with you and hug you and compliment your tradwife dresses.
0:37.0	I've been hearing from you that some of the
0:39.3	shows you love the best are the ones where we're just chatting, where we're just chatting like
0:44.9	old friends, and we get to talk about what it's like to be women living in the world right now,
0:50.5	which is crazy, to be honest. I also have a lot of episode topics that I really want to dive into,
0:58.7	but I don't necessarily have an expert for them. I just want to talk them through. I want to talk
1:04.0	through some crazy article I read or some show that I watched. And so, in service of that,
1:09.8	I'm going to be bringing on a few special guests.
1:12.1	One of them, who is going to become a show regular, is my very best friend in the entire world,
1:18.3	Jackie Cascarano. I met Jackie when I was 18 years old, and she burped in my face at a bar
1:24.4	after a sorority rush event, and I was like, you're going to be my person. Yep,
1:29.2	I choose you. And we've chosen each other again and again over the years. It has not always been
1:36.3	perfect. No good and long friendship is. And yet every time that we've struggled, every time that we really had to go through it,
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