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Summer picks: The science of racism, and how to fight it

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The Guardian

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4.2938 Ratings

🗓️ 31 July 2025

⏱️ 21 minutes

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Summary

In this episode from January 2025, Ian Sample speaks to Keon West, a professor of social psychology at the University of London, whose new book explores what science can reveal about racism, the inventive methods scientists have used to study it and the scientifically proven ways of tackling racism and discrimination. Help support our independent journalism at theguardian.com/sciencepod

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0:00.0

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0:10.0

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0:18.4

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0:40.4

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0:43.4

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0:44.8

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0:51.6

Hi, Ian here.

0:53.6

The Science Weekly team are taking a break. so we're revisiting a few of our

0:58.0

favourite episodes from the year so far. Today's conversation was recorded in January, but remains as

1:05.1

relevant as ever. It's with Professor Keon West, a social psychologist who studies racism.

1:16.8

It's something we all know exists, but Keon takes us through the really clever ways that scientists have gone about designing studies to prove it.

1:20.8

I hope you enjoy the episode.

1:33.3

It's not an easy thing to admit that basically all of us are unintentionally racist. There's a really great study which they told teachers, look out for the children who are going to present challenging behavior.

1:40.3

And the researchers tracked their eye movements to see who they were looking at.

1:44.5

And they found that they disproportionately looked at black children and in particular black boys.

1:49.4

Keon West is a professor of social psychology at the University of London

1:53.3

and has studied our implicit and explicit biases around race and the consequences they have.

1:59.6

From the day a child is born, the lower expectations,

2:02.9

the lower opportunities, the more punitive responses to everything they do wrong. And it becomes

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