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Wild Card with Rachel Martin

Suleika Jaouad

Wild Card with Rachel Martin

NPR

Society & Culture

4.7990 Ratings

🗓️ 20 November 2025

⏱️ 50 minutes

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Summary

Suleika Jaouad has written extensively about what it means to live in the in-between – the space between sick and healthy. She’s dealt on-and-off with cancer since her early 20s. Her latest book, "The Book of Alchemy," provides a guide on sustaining a creative practice through journaling. Suleika tells Rachel about eavesdropping on laughter and what she's learned from the people she's lost.To listen sponsor-free and support the show, sign up for Wild Card+ at plus.npr.org/wildcard

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0:00.0

Hey, it's Rachel. Before we get going, I just wanted to share a little bit of news. Very good news, in fact. Our episode with Jason Reynolds was just picked by Apple Podcasts as one of the 10 best podcast episodes of 2025, which is such awesome news. I'm so happy not just because the show is being recognized. that's obviously great, but because Jason is being

0:23.0

recognized. Jason was so vulnerable and he just spoke from a place of such complete honesty. It

0:30.0

really resonated with me and I know a lot of you. I still think about that conversation all the

0:34.9

time. So if you missed it, be sure and go back and listen.

0:37.8

We're also going to drop it in the feed next week on Thanksgiving with a little bonus question with Jason Reynolds.

0:44.1

Thank you so much for your support.

0:45.6

It means the world.

0:47.3

And if you haven't yet, please leave us a review.

0:49.7

We really truly appreciate it.

0:52.0

And now on with the show.

0:55.8

What's a way in which you're trying to be a better person?

0:59.5

I think this is very common amongst people living with chronic illnesses, but I have a lot of

1:05.1

anxiety around making plans. I want to be a person who says, yes, I will be there. I will show up with flowers,

1:13.1

and I don't always know in advance if I'm going to be able to be there. I'm Rachel Martin,

1:18.3

and this is Wildcard, the show where cards control the conversation. Each week, my guest

1:25.2

answers questions about their life. Questions pulled from a deck of cards.

1:29.5

They're allowed to skip one question and to flip one back on me.

1:32.7

My guest this week is Suleka Jouad.

1:34.9

I went through a lot of loss at a young age, and I think when you experience that kind of deep loss,

1:43.8

there's a way in which it can make you want to guard your heart.

1:47.3

And the truth is, I would experience any amount of grief to experience those loves.

1:55.6

I first saw Seulika's name in the New York Times.

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