Suleika Jaouad: You Are Not The Bad Thing (Part 2)

Everything Happens with Kate Bowler

Everything Happens Studios

Health & Fitness, Religion & Spirituality, Society & Culture

4.8 • 4.7K Ratings

🗓️ 25 May 2021

⏱️ 31 minutes

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Summary

There is a strange tension when we want so badly for the people we love to support us, but want to shield them from the pain at the same time. This is a beautiful, terrible kind of love. In Part Two of our conversation with bestselling author Suleika Jaouad, Kate and Suleika discuss what it is like to be the one suffering—all the guilt and shame and rage and mercy and grace and how we can create better economies of love around those who need it. Kate ends with a blessing for those who feel like their problem is too much to handle—a blessing if you feel like "the bad thing." To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0	I'm Kate Boehler and this is Everything Happens.
0:04.0	I'm a historian, author, aggressively fast walker, but lately in a world that promises endless
0:10.9	progress, even now in a pandemic, I've realized I just need to be a person.
0:18.4	It's hard to give up on the feeling that the life you want is just out of reach, if
0:23.7	only you tried.
0:26.0	Make this food, find that relationship, just get the kids graduated or the parents this
0:31.6	kind of care.
0:33.4	Only then will I feel different, better, whole.
0:39.3	But that's not the way this works.
0:42.1	When I was 35, I was diagnosed with stage war cancer, and here's the very fun thing
0:47.1	about that.
0:48.4	The world loves you better when you are shiny, when you are cheerful, when you still
0:53.7	believe that your best life now is right around the corner.
0:57.9	I've written multiple books on the history of the idea that you can always fix your life,
1:03.1	so I'm going to be the one to say it.
1:05.7	There are some things we can change and some things we can't, and it's okay that life
1:12.0	isn't always getting better.
1:14.7	We can have beauty and meaning, community and love, and we will need each other if we're
1:21.2	going to tell the truth.
1:23.4	Life is a chronic condition, and there's no cure for being human.
1:34.4	There's always that part of the conversation where you start apologizing.
1:38.6	Thanks so much for listening for so long, or sorry, I know this is a lot, or I shouldn't
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