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🗓️ 28 May 2022
⏱️ 38 minutes
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In this episode, we talk to Sue Klebold about how she would give her own life to stop her son Dylan's mass shooting at Columbine High School. Sue reveals how Dylan had no mental illness diagnosis, and no one knew about the dark depression he wrote in personal journals. Eventually, his suicidal thoughts turned homicidal, and his friendship with fellow shooter Eric Harris developed into extreme rage amongst the two which led to that unforgettable tragedy in 1999. We discuss how she has spent the last fifteen years excavating every detail of her family life and trying to understand the crucial intersection between mental health problems and violence, what she feels she missed in Dylan's mental state, the idea of forgiveness, and the urgent need to change how society responds to psychological disorders in order to prevent future tragedies.
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0:00.0 | Welcome to Nobody Told Me. |
0:13.5 | And I'm Laura Owens. |
0:16.4 | Nearly 20 years ago, Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold armed themselves with guns and explosives |
0:21.7 | and walked into Columbine High School in Littleton, Colorado. |
0:25.6 | They killed 12 students at a teacher and wounded 24 other people before taking their own lives. |
0:30.9 | And joining us on this episode is Dylan Klebold's mother, Sue, who has lived with the indescribable |
0:36.9 | grief and shame of that day, |
0:39.0 | and tried to understand how her son's life could have escalated into such a disaster on her |
0:44.5 | watch. Sue has written about her quest to comprehend what happened in her book, |
0:49.2 | A Mother's Reckoning, Living in the Aftermath of Tragedy. |
0:53.0 | Sue, we thank you so much for joining us. |
0:55.8 | It's my pleasure. Thank you for having me on the show. You've written that you would give |
1:00.2 | your own life to reverse what happened that day in 1999 at Columbine High School. And I'm |
1:06.0 | wondering if you still find your mind playing and replaying that day over and over in an effort to make |
1:12.8 | some kind of sense of it? |
1:15.5 | Well, it has been about 20 years since this happened, and I think the way that I think about it |
1:22.7 | over time has changed, certainly in the beginning for many, many years, for most of this 20 years, |
1:29.8 | there was a replaying, a constant replaying, thinking about all the victims of this tragedy |
1:36.9 | and how horrible it was. As the years have gone by and as I've tried to learn more about some of the factors involved in this process of doing a mass shooting such as this, I'm slightly more intellectualizing about it now. |
1:57.0 | I mean, I find myself looking more at trying hard to understand the process by which someone |
2:04.3 | gets to this desperate state, the complexity of it, and all the factors involved. |
2:11.3 | That's not to say that I still don't have horrible days still of sorrow and remembering, |
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