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All right, welcome back to the VPCD show. I'm Dr. Van Eyre Prasad, Professor here at UCSF,

and I'm joined by my friend and colleague, Zubin Demania, Dr. Van Eyre.

This is the first time you've ever called me a friend, VPC. We've known each other for how long?

I think two years. Yeah. And dare I say, we've finally entered the friendship zone.

Oh, we're in the friend zone. You know, it's funny, actually, the first time we met,

it was like, it was like a scene out of step-brothers, right? It was like, favorite,

favorite, okay, okay, favorite non-medical journal to criticize from an evidence-based

standpoint on three, one, two, three. Good house. Good house. Yeah.

Yeah, we got along immediately. We did. We did. We have a mutual desire for truth,

justice, and the American way. And a mutual intolerance to BS. Yes, that's that's that's

what I'm highly tolerant of BS. I actually engage in it, but I also like to make fun of it.

So I play both ends of it. That's the difference between you and me. Oh, well, you know,

I do think one should know when one is bullshitting. Yes.

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