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Sudan on the Brink

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4.66K Ratings

🗓️ 19 November 2025

⏱️ 31 minutes

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Summary

Ongoing civil war in Sudan has left tens of thousands dead, with millions displaced. A country of great natural resources, regional foreign governments have chosen sides—but foreign aid from the US that had mitigated some of the war’s damage is gone.  Guest: David Miliband, president and CEO of the International Rescue Committee, former UK foreign secretary 2007-2010. Want more What Next? Subscribe to Slate Plus to access ad-free listening to the whole What Next family and across all your favorite Slate podcasts. Subscribe today on Apple Podcasts by clicking “Try Free” at the top of our show page. Sign up now at slate.com/whatnextplus to get access wherever you listen. Podcast production by Elena Schwartz, Paige Osburn, Anna Phillips, Madeline Ducharme, and Rob Gunther. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

Have you been able to watch the videos that have been coming out of Sudan?

0:10.9

I ask because these clips are pretty easy to find, but they're also pretty easy to avoid.

0:18.9

Some of the footage we have obtained from Alferscha is simply too graphic for CNN to broadcast.

0:25.6

Civilians gun down.

0:26.6

There are videos of people being shot out in the open.

0:29.6

There are videos of fighters going through a hospital, room by room, and hunting people down.

0:36.6

And then there's evidence of the sheer magnitude of the violence.

0:41.7

Pictures captured from thousands of miles away.

0:45.5

The scale of these attacks are such that evidence of the RSF's atrocities are now visible from space,

0:52.0

with indicators of bodies and what appear to be large bloodstains

0:56.1

detected by experts of the Yale humanitarian.

1:00.4

It's now become a world-leading humanitarian crisis, not just for the present with 30 million people in humanitarian need,

1:10.3

but actually record-breaking since

1:12.5

records began. Record-breaking since records began. Yeah, it's the biggest humanitarian crisis

1:18.0

in terms of the number of people affected. David Miliband is the president of the International

1:23.3

Rescue Committee. He says these massacres of civilians have been meticulously planned over the

1:29.3

course of months. A group called the Rapid Support Forces, or RSF, began by physically isolating

1:36.8

the last city in Western Sudan that was controlled by the country's army. The city's known as Al-Fashir.

1:44.6

That involved building a what's called a berm, a wall around the city, to prevent entry

1:53.2

of goods and exit of people. I've heard it called a killbox.

1:57.8

The small number of people who've come out in recent days testify to executions,

2:06.1

massacres, rape, pillage, cruelty of an unspeakable kind.

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