Welcome to the Awesome Marriage Podcast, a place for honest conversations about marriage and how to have the relationship that God has designed for you. I am your co-host, Christina Dodson. On the show will be our host, Dr. Kim Kimberling and Nell Smith. To engage with the Awesome Marriage podcast, use the hashtag Awesome Marriage. Welcome to the Awesome Marriage podcast. This

month at Awesome Marriage, we've been talking about roles in marriage. Today, we're probably

talking about a subject that is very difficult for a lot of us, and that's submission. So I'm so

excited to welcome Deb D. Arman back to us. She is a special guest for us. She has the

Deb D'Aarman Family Matters ministry, and she's an author. She's a speaker. She's a

relationship coach. And it's just delightful to have you back on our podcast and to have us,

have you talk with us about this whole thing about submission. Welcome back.

Thanks, Dr. Kim. It's a, it's a hot topic, isn't it? It is a hot topic. So,

so let's just say that to start out with. Why are we even talking about submission?

Well, it's a topic that has a lot of play in the church. I think it's probably included in every single premarital

conversation that happens if you're in a pastor's office. And I think that there's the potential

for marries to just bring a real sense of honor and respect to God through their marriages.

If you think about it,

we're the bride of Christ. He uses that metaphor. And yet it's not an easy thing to do because

marriage is a merger. And the definition of merger is to cut away or to make a place for someone

else, which almost already sounds like it's going to be painful.

We come with our extensive experiences and our beliefs and our opinions. We learn what we lived at home.

And sometimes that really makes us a very tough thing to do. And when the Lord's, you know, when God's word says, submit to one another, it's not a

suggestion, it's direction, it's instruction, and it's meant both to honor him and to honor the

marriage relationship. I agree. I mean, obviously, I believe the Bible is the word of God and we're to take seriously

everything. And so when we come across a topic like that, we can't just, you know, tear that page

out or act like it's not in there, which I think we would all like to do is certain parts of the

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