Hello, Winevers. My name is Jesse Meek.

This is podcast number 353 for Wineb, where we teach you four rules to help you stop

with them paycheck to paycheck, get out of debt and save more money.

I am pleased to have with me today Dr. Ryan Law, he is a professor of financial

counseling at Utah Valley University and he gives me the great

privilege to come and speak to his class, his financial counseling class each

semester and I get to introduce Wienab to these very bright students and it's a lot of fun.

It's a lot of fun to know that we're planning that seed perhaps with those individuals that will

then go on to help others.

But Ryan has also made himself an absolute expert out of necessity

and perhaps some kind of crazy interest

in student loans.

And he's counseled students in helping them navigate the waters of student

loans. So if you are someone that carries student loan debt or if you are a parent of a college

student that carries said debt or if you're a parent of a college student that carries said debt,

or if you're just trying to navigate that area in some kind of form or fashion that looks

even remotely like you know what you're doing,

you'll want to listen to this podcast Ryan has

written a book it's free for Kindle Unlimited Student Loan Planning and it's

available on Amazon.com it's excellent it's nitty gritty. It is detailed. It's tactical. It's short and it gives you everything you need to know and nothing that you don't and I highly recommend it.

However, if you just want to get the high-level stuff here,

are Ryan and I speaking about that ever-ever-present student loan. Okay, I'm here with Ryan Law.

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