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Hello and welcome to the Bullard podcast.

I'm your host Tim Miller. Delighted to have back a former

Republican media consultant, New Yorktown five presidential campaigns. He's a senior advisor

at the Lincoln Project co-host of the podcast strategy session produced by the affiliated

Lincoln Square on Substack. He's from Mississippi. His books include it was all a lie,

the conspiracy to end America. And my favorite, even though it's kind of as sad as the other ones, the last season, a father, a son, and a lifetime of college football, it's Stuart Stevens. Welcome back, brother. How you doing? Hey, Bradley. Great to be here, man. We'll get to football at the end, of course. I obviously will not let you off the hook without discussing the weekend's events on the college football field.

But we need to start with the conspiracy

to end America. I mentioned this one of the other times you were on, but for the new listeners,

I think it's worth bringing back, because I didn't mean to double book you back to back with

JVL. And I'm a little concerned about the darkness that people are going to get. Because I remember, I remember, this was before Trump even won. This was the fall of 2016. The New Yorker is writing a big profile on the never Trumpers as if we mattered. You know, all 20 of us are 15, however many there were. And Ryan Liz Liz, I was also got a substack, interviewed all of us.

And he interviewed me in a coffee shop in D.C.

I remember where I was sitting with him.

And at the end of it, he just goes, whoa, man, you're in a, you're in a dark place

about where things are going.

There's only one guy I interviewed that was darker than you.

I was like, who?

He said, Stuart Stevens. So here we are, baby. Here we are.

Everybody just buckle up. You know, when I get depressed, I listen to you because I always get shored up because you're such an optimist, you know? So tell us about your state, how you see things right now. What are you most worried about? Yeah, where's your alarms? Think about it. A year ago, you and I were on here,

and we said a year from now, you're going to have an army of mass men chasing gardeners through

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