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Hello and welcome to the Bullwark podcast. I'm your host Tim Miller. Delighted to welcome the former chair of the Federal Trade Commission during the Biden administration, now a professor at Columbia Law School where she teaches and writes about antitrust and the anti-monopoly tradition. It's Lena Khan. How you doing, Lena? Great to be here. Thank you for doing it. I blurted out that we should have Lena Khan on the show when we had one of the tech bros who was complaining about you on a couple weeks ago. And so I'm happy to we made it

happen. Thanks for doing it. You kind of emerged for me just like out of the ether, like in the

blogosphere as like an antitrust warrior, you know, who had written an Amazon paper. Like, I know

nothing about you besides that. So could you

give us like an origin story? Like you existed before that, I assume, like you had a childhood and other

interests. Could you like tell us where you came from? Yeah, I was born in England and grew up there

until I was 11 when my parents moved to the suburbs of New York. I grew up here. I always wanted to be a

journalist and a reporter. And so I spent a lot of my childhood and time in high school and college

working on newspapers. I graduated during the financial crisis. And so journalism jobs were pretty

hard to come across. And so ended up landing at a think tank where my job was to do business research

and some reporting and really to be documenting how markets had evolved, how markets had consolidated

and what the real world impact of that had been. And so I spent years understanding how

chicken farming markets were working or the rental car markets

were working or markets where we had gone from dozens of competitors to just a handful

and what the real world impact of that concentrated economic power was. One of the biggest

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