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Hello, everybody. Welcome to Three Point Perspective, the podcast about illustration, how to do it, how to make a living at it, and how to make an impact in the world with your art.

I'm Jake Parker.

I'm Lee White.

And today we have a special treat.

We are interviewing Victor Irizari, who is a personal friend of mine, but also one of these guys who is kind of living a double artistic life.

He, by day, is a architect for a big architect firm in architecture firm in Phoenix.

And by night, he is a comic artist.

He dons a cape and a mask and he draws comics.

Anyways, this is a good interview.

We just finished with them.

And what was your, like, what was a couple of your takeaways, Lee, talking to Victor?

He's somebody who definitely knows what he wants to do.

And he seems structured.

He's got the perfect balance of being structured and being open to changing and new stuff too. So he's he's one of those, I think, rare people

who has thought about all of it a lot, the content, how he's going to organize his day,

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