Hello, this is the web box podcast. I'm Matt Chauley, bringing you the rest of my time,

so you can listen live, Monday to Friday, 10 to 1 on your DAB radio, on your Smart Speaker,

or download the Times Radio app. Coming up on today's episode, the politics of telepomptus,

auto cues, reading a script, and when things go wrong. We're going to hear from the woman

who's operated telepomptus for every US president since Jimmy Carter, Bar Reagan. Amazing stories

about basically how Joe Biden jumps around his script a lot, and we'll take a trip down when we

lane for some of the funnier moments of British politicians making a mess of the auto cue,

strong message here. We'll do that in just a sec. But first, stop this. The columnist on Times Radio.

And we say hello today to the spectators, please go to Katie Balls,

morning Katie. Morning. And former number 10 business advisor and presenter of the Jimmy Jobs

podcast is Jimmy McLaughlin. Morning, Jimmy. Morning, Matt. Right. Let's head across the channel,

then. Rishi Sunat right now is meeting President McClon. They are going to discuss Britain

giving France another 200 million pounds to help over the issue with the small boats.

How do you think that will go down at home, Katie? We seem to be throwing money at France,

but not necessarily, some might think, getting very much back.

Yeah, I mean, I do think it's going to be one of those announcements, which suddenly leads to

Tory unity, lots of people cheering. I mean, ultimately, as you point to, I think that's quite a

lot of disillusionment, not just amongst voters, but also amongst in the Tory party at repeated

announcements of deals and yet the fact that channel crossings are going up. But I think it

probably is quite smart, actually. If you look at the various things that Rishi Sunat can do,

there's lots of reasons that actually the illegal migration bill is weak. It's a long way of

having any real effect because it could get a drag through the courts. And even if it does,

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