because they don't think about these things as art, think about them as products.

Just more freaking slop, you know, it's just slop.

Just put it out there and people eat it up.

Hello and welcome to Tech Won't Sabas. I'm your host, Paris Marks, and this week my guest is Gita Jackson.

Gita is a staff writer at Motherboard, and you might remember them from our previous conversation in December about unionization in the video games industry and what was going on in

that period with Activision Blizzard. We start this week's episode with a quick update on

there, and if I might say so myself, it's a positive update. And then we switch to talking about

what has been going on in the film and television industry, how streaming services were so key

to how we consumed that type of entertainment

during the pandemic, but how as people increasingly go back to normal, there's a recognition

that maybe streaming services are not going to have the kind of sustainable business model,

let alone a lucrative one that was once imagined or

envisioned as investors were plowing billions of dollars into these companies. In April, Netflix

announced that it had lost subscribers and as a result, its stock price continued to tank.

And there have been questions about other streaming services and whether their strategies make

much sense. In light of that, the cinemas, which have been on the back foot for the past decade

and have been positioned as the losers in this switch to streaming, have been taking a victory

lap, have been celebrating. But is that premature or is this something that is

actually going to work out for them in the long term? That's something that we'll talk about

in this week's conversation. I have to say, I had a really fun time chatting with Gita. And, you know,

we not only get into these kind of businessy industry aspects of what's going on with streaming

and cinemas, but we also get into a

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