Oh, I wish I was one of the women.

Oh, you know.

I think it's good.

Make it now. Oh, This is hell.

live from the United States where capitalism is the virus.

This is hell and here on this is hell.

We have had many many conversations of late

around the concept of de-growth that is for us to survive the current crises of

climate change as well as the pandemic and its repeated variants and

surges all which promises a future of more crises of capitalism that we may need

something completely different an alternative like de-growth.

It is these crises that makes capitalism appear vulnerable and creates the possibilities of alternatives.

Alternatives like de-growth, which

dismantles the current system of constant economic growth that

got us to this point of this crisis in the first place,

these many crises in the first place.

But how can we get all those together who

would likely want to pursue de-growth which could include as our guest today

suggests nature lovers care providers local

governments diverse workers organizations fighters for

environmental justice overworked professionals vegans hipp, hippies, families with children, biking fanatics,

unemployed, people employed in exploitative and harmful jobs, climate, refugees, back to the

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