You know, entering the world of Dr. William Lang Craig is entering a world of things like

counterfactuals, conditionals in this objective mood, mental knowledge, conformational holism,

and now a new one on me, Bill, and predicative definitions.

Now, before we explain that, let me give some background.

Jeff Lauder has an article on Secular's Substack called Odd Bedfellows,

why William Lane Craig and gender theorist share the same logic. Now, that's an intriguing title, Bill. There's

a word about Jeff. The very first email that I ever sent was to my father. The second was to Jeff

louder. I discovered him and the secular web at the start of all the 1990s internet battles

that we were in, the internet infidels against the Christian apologist, and I've always been

impressed by Jeff, his knowledge and his generosity. He is on the secular side. Jeff has spilled

a lot of cyber ink on you, Bill. I think

the two of you have met. Yes, years ago, Jan and I visited the Air Force Academy in Colorado Springs,

where Jeff was, at that time, I think, a young lieutenant. And he met with us and gave us a tour of the entire campus, showed us all around.

He was very congenial.

And even though I was sorry to hear about his involvement in the Internet infidels,

nevertheless, he was a gracious host.

And so we've had a good relationship ever since.

Yeah.

You know, when the Internet came out, the first thing I did was start to look for Christian apologetics

and opportunities to use it on this new thing, this new online world.

And he's one of the first people that I ran into. He was trying to do the same thing with the secular web on the other side.

Jeff's post that we're going to be looking at is citing the book that you and Eric Wielandberg published in 2020, a debate on God and morality. And it's based on your

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