Hello, everybody. Welcome to the Radical Canter Podcast. I'm Kim Scott. I'm Amy Sandler. Today we are talking stories. And specifically, why does storytelling matter for leaders? What makes for a good story? And we are going to get some behind the scenes stories about Kim's writing of stories.

Stories about stories. It's very meta. And really, the question is first, why do we need to tell

stories at work? Kim, you know, we love stories. Your book is chock full of them. We share our own

stories in our workshops and our keynotes.

And then we encourage our participants. And of course, all of you, our listeners,

to share your stories as well, stories when you received radical candor, what radical

candor looks like for you, what care personally and challenge directly look like for you. And so I thought I

would share a little bit. There's a piece in first round. Can I interrupt you? Sorry. You have and you will.

And you don't mind. You have and you will. Thank you for allowing me to do that. I want to hear about this.

But I want to, and I'm sorry, I know we talked about doing this episode and we had a plan.

And I want to interject something new that I just thought of just this moment.

Welcome to the Kim Scott show.

We're just riding along by the seat of our pants.

Making stuff up as we go along. But I think for leaders, even more important than storytelling is story listening.

Actually, one of my mentors said to me of management, everybody has a story. And one of the wonderful things about being a manager is listening to all those stories. And at the same time, one of the exhausting things is sometimes listening to all those

stories. So anyway, let's keep going. But I just want to plant that seed as we go along.

While we're on this, you know, one of the reasons why I really love workshops and I love

keynotes where I can actually have a conversation is because there's the structure of a keynote

is you're telling every, you're talking for like an hour, right?

So I'm just curious, Kim. I mean,

you do so many keynotes like, where do you feel like the listening comes up in that context?

I'm not listening too much when I do that. I'm here. True, truth, story listening is more

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