Hello, everybody. Welcome to the Radical Canter Podcast. I'm Kim Scott. I'm Jason Rosoff.

I'm Amy Sandler, and we talk a lot on this podcast about how managers can ensure that their employees are staying engaged at work.

But what about keeping those managers themselves engaged? Being a boss is a challenging job in the best of times.

The best of times, these are not. According to Gallup, only 31% of managers are actively engaged,

and more than 50% are actively seeking new jobs amid declines in employee engagement and well-being,

record turnover, and hiring rates, and an unprecedented increase in hybrid work.

Kim, in radical candor, you say that a boss's job is to guide a team to achieve results.

However, in the current landscape of constant disruptions, this job is feeling close to

impossible for some managers.

And what's more, those very same disengaged managers are leading to disengaged teams.

And what we're really talking about in many ways and for a lot of folks is

burnout. And according to the National Institutes of Health, burnout is a psychological syndrome

emerging as a prolonged response to chronic interpersonal stressors on the job.

The three key dimensions of this response are an overwhelming

exhaustion, check, feelings of cynicism and detachment from the job, and a sense of ineffectiveness

and lack of accomplishment. I just had one of those. I just had the exhaustion.

I've been feeling cynical. I've been struggling with my feelings of cynicism.

I don't know about detachment, but sometimes it's hard not to feel cynical in this world.

Yeah, and it's interesting also on that sense of ineffectiveness and lack of accomplishment. Because I know for you, one of the things we talk a lot about is like you want to feel like what you're doing has an impact.

Yes. And some days I feel like, well, I don't know anybody who feels like they're having all the impact that they want to have. And honestly, if they are,

they're probably having too much impact. Like, I think we all, like there's one of my favorite

books of all times is this book by Ian McEwen and Enduring Love, it's called. And it begins with this sort of tragic situation

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