You're listening to the Allender Center podcast with Dr. Dan Allender.

This week, Dan, Kathy Lorzell, and yours truly, Rachel Clinton, conclude our conversation about our upcoming online course, Story Sage.

As we continue wrestling with what it means to engage stories with boldness and care,

we begin to explore what might be the most volatile and dangerous terrain in this work,

our family of origin.

Well, for the last two weeks, we've been speaking about a new online course called StorySage.

And with my two compatriots, we've been creating this course.

And if I can just ask the two of you again, what was this like to do this course together?

The good, the bad, and the ugly?

Well, you know, this course was the first, my first entry into teaching in front of a camera,

which I haven't been brave enough to actually go back and watch

myself on camera. But first, I felt like maybe I was on the Today Show, which I love.

And so I was like, this is it. Savannah Guthrie, eat your heart out. Like, I'm going to do this.

Like, I'm coming for your job, baby.

This is going to happen.

So that fantasy was fulfilled, which was super fun, including having, you know, lighting

texts and people, which was, you know, really fun.

And I love teaching. So it was an interesting thing for me to be able to

step into. And I love teaching with the both of you. So that felt like a profound privilege

to be able to do some of this. But it was also really intimidating to think, oh, what I'm saying

right now is going to go into

perpetuity and i have no idea and it's very vulnerable um to to to put your your stuff out there

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