Stop the Surveillance (with Erin Stockdale and Dave Thomas)

How To Not Lose Your Sh!t

Red Wine & Blue

Parenting, Health & Fitness, Kids & Family, News, Mental Health, Politics

4.7 • 892 Ratings

🗓️ 8 April 2026

⏱️ 34 minutes

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This week on the pod, we were joined by two of Katie's neighbors: Erin and Dave. Along with a few other members of their community in Shaker Heights, Ohio, they've been working together to stop the AI surveillance company Flock from sharing their data with ICE. It's a complicated issue! First, on the technical side -- how exactly does Flock work, and how are they sharing data with ICE and Border Patrol? It's also tricky on the advocacy side -- how can we know if Flock is sharing our data with...

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0:00.0	It sounds like there are far more risks with the flock cameras than there are rewards.
0:05.4	Like the more I listen to it, the more I want to go to the website, look to see if there are
0:10.0	flat cameras in my area because I don't feel safer.
0:14.1	Hi, everyone. Welcome to How to Not Lose Your Shit.
0:22.1	I'm Katie Paris, the founder of Red Wine and Blue.
0:25.0	And I'm LaFonda Cousin, a part-time yoga instructor, self-care advocate, and the chief
0:29.4	people officer here at Red Wine and Blue.
0:31.9	Today we're joined by Aaron and Dave, two of my neighbors in Shaker Heights, Ohio.
0:35.5	And we have been working together along with a bunch of other residents here to Stop Flock, which is an AI surveillance company, and they have a documented history of sharing data with ICE. So as you can imagine, when I learned that this was a company that my town had a contract with, you all have heard
0:55.5	us on this podcast talk a lot about ICE and our deep concerns that we know you all share
1:01.4	out there with everything ICE is doing across the country. And so when I learned about flock operating
1:07.3	in my community, that was something I wanted to learn more about. So I'm really excited
1:12.1	today, LaFonda, that we got to have on Erin and Dave. Honestly, I'm really excited that you got
1:16.7	to meet them. You know, I think I'm always telling you about stuff I'm working on locally.
1:20.8	But today you got to get to meet a couple of my buddies who I'm doing this work with. What did
1:26.8	you think of the conversation?
1:28.4	I am one of those people that's like, when people are like, your phones are listening to you and
1:33.0	don't put your information. I'm like, everything is listening to you at this point. We're all
1:36.9	being surveilled literally all the time in 2026. But truthfully, flock cameras, the more I've been listening to you talk about
1:46.6	them and the more I've been good. Like, they are really unnecessary and scary. So this conversation
1:51.8	was really, really helpful for me. And it's going to make me go do a little bit more research than I've
1:56.2	already been doing on flat cameras because they do seem highly unnecessary.
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