Steven Pinker || Why Rationality Matters
The Psychology Podcast
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🗓️ 14 October 2021
⏱️ 66 minutes
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Summary
Today it’s great to have Steven Pinker on the podcast. Dr. Pinker is the Johnstone professor of psychology at Harvard University. A two-time Pulitzer Prize finalist and the winner of many awards for his research, teaching, and books. He’s been elected to the National Academy of Science, and named as one of Time’s “100 Most Influential People”, and one of Foreign Policy’s “100 Leading Global Thinkers”. His books include How the Mind Works, The Blank State, The Stuff of Thought, The Better Angels of Our Nature, The Sense of Style, Enlightenment Now, and most recently, Rationality: What It Is, Why It Seems Scarce, Why It Matters. In this episode, I talk to Steven about the definition of rationality, how it relates to truth, and how it’s different from logic. We also discuss the trade-offs in decision making, the limited usefulness of strategic irrationality, the boundaries of socially acceptable fiction, and why people have weird beliefs among other things.
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Topics
01:02 Must we always follow reason?Â
03:34 Steven’s definition of rationalityÂ
05:24 Tension between conflicting goalsÂ
08:31 What is truth?Â
13:12 When to apply logic or rationalityÂ
23:14 There can be no trade-off between rationality and justiceÂ
25:35 Politicizing knowledge and researchÂ
29:24 Strategic irrationality has limitsÂ
36:13 Taboo trade-offs, heretical counterfactuals, and forbidden base ratesÂ
42:04 The changing norms of acceptable fictionÂ
45:56 Why rationality is coolÂ
49:39 The costs of decision makingÂ
55:54 Progress came from utilitarian reasoningÂ
57:52 "The pandemic of poppycock"Â
01:01:23 Expressive rationality: morally empowering beliefsÂ
01:05:26 Bayesian reasoningÂ
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| 0:00.0 | Today, it's great to have Stephen Pinker on the podcast. |
| 0:17.2 | Dr. Pinker is the John Stone professor of psychology at Harvard University. |
| 0:21.1 | A two-time Pulitzer Prize finalist and the winner of many awards for his research teaching |
| 0:25.2 | in books. |
| 0:26.2 | He has been elected to the National Academy of Sciences and named one of times a hundred |
| 0:29.5 | most influential people and won a foreign policy as a hundred leading global thinkers. |
| 0:34.4 | His books include how the mind works, the blank slate, the stuff of thought, the better angels |
| 0:38.8 | of our nature, the sense of style, enlightenment now, and most recently rationality, what |
| 0:43.9 | it is, why it seems scarce, why it matters. |
| 0:48.6 | Stephen Pinker, so great to have you back on the psychology podcast. |
| 0:50.9 | Thanks, Josh. |
| 0:51.9 | Nice to be here. |
| 0:52.9 | I always enjoy talking to you. |
| 0:55.7 | You always stimulate my brain, which is the motto of our podcast, is that we all make |
| 1:01.1 | people with brains, but you stimulate my brain. |
| 1:03.8 | So you say in this new book of yours, you argue that, quote, rationality ought to be the |
| 1:08.1 | load star for everything we think and do. |
| 1:11.7 | Why is that? |
| 1:12.9 | The very fact that you're asking that question and waiting for my answer means you've already |
| 1:18.3 | accepted the answer, namely that we ought to persuade each other with good reasons. |
| 1:23.7 | Now, it's not the only way that we can get other people's assent, we can bribe them, |
| 1:28.6 | we can threaten them, we can beat them up, we can try to cancel them. |
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