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The Psychology Podcast

Steven Pinker || Why Rationality Matters

The Psychology Podcast

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Science, Social Sciences

4.4 • 2K Ratings

🗓️ 14 October 2021

⏱️ 66 minutes

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Summary

Today it’s great to have Steven Pinker on the podcast. Dr. Pinker is the Johnstone professor of psychology at Harvard University. A two-time Pulitzer Prize finalist and the winner of many awards for his research, teaching, and books. He’s been elected to the National Academy of Science, and named as one of Time’s “100 Most Influential People”, and one of Foreign Policy’s “100 Leading Global Thinkers”. His books include How the Mind Works, The Blank State, The Stuff of Thought, The Better Angels of Our Nature, The Sense of Style, Enlightenment Now, and most recently, Rationality: What It Is, Why It Seems Scarce, Why It Matters.  In this episode, I talk to Steven about the definition of rationality, how it relates to truth, and how it’s different from logic. We also discuss the trade-offs in decision making, the limited usefulness of strategic irrationality, the boundaries of socially acceptable fiction, and why people have weird beliefs among other things.

Website: stevenpinker.com
Twitter: @sapinker

 

Topics

01:02 Must we always follow reason? 

03:34 Steven’s definition of rationality 

05:24 Tension between conflicting goals 

08:31 What is truth? 

13:12 When to apply logic or rationality 

23:14 There can be no trade-off between rationality and justice 

25:35 Politicizing knowledge and research 

29:24 Strategic irrationality has limits 

36:13 Taboo trade-offs, heretical counterfactuals, and forbidden base rates 

42:04 The changing norms of acceptable fiction 

45:56 Why rationality is cool 

49:39 The costs of decision making 

55:54 Progress came from utilitarian reasoning 

57:52 "The pandemic of poppycock" 

01:01:23 Expressive rationality: morally empowering beliefs 

01:05:26 Bayesian reasoning 
 

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Transcript

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0:00.0

Today, it's great to have Stephen Pinker on the podcast.

0:17.2

Dr. Pinker is the John Stone professor of psychology at Harvard University.

0:21.1

A two-time Pulitzer Prize finalist and the winner of many awards for his research teaching

0:25.2

in books.

0:26.2

He has been elected to the National Academy of Sciences and named one of times a hundred

0:29.5

most influential people and won a foreign policy as a hundred leading global thinkers.

0:34.4

His books include how the mind works, the blank slate, the stuff of thought, the better angels

0:38.8

of our nature, the sense of style, enlightenment now, and most recently rationality, what

0:43.9

it is, why it seems scarce, why it matters.

0:48.6

Stephen Pinker, so great to have you back on the psychology podcast.

0:50.9

Thanks, Josh.

0:51.9

Nice to be here.

0:52.9

I always enjoy talking to you.

0:55.7

You always stimulate my brain, which is the motto of our podcast, is that we all make

1:01.1

people with brains, but you stimulate my brain.

1:03.8

So you say in this new book of yours, you argue that, quote, rationality ought to be the

1:08.1

load star for everything we think and do.

1:11.7

Why is that?

1:12.9

The very fact that you're asking that question and waiting for my answer means you've already

1:18.3

accepted the answer, namely that we ought to persuade each other with good reasons.

1:23.7

Now, it's not the only way that we can get other people's assent, we can bribe them,

1:28.6

we can threaten them, we can beat them up, we can try to cancel them.

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