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Fast Politics with Molly Jong-Fast

Steven Levitsky & Michael Roth

Fast Politics with Molly Jong-Fast

iHeartPodcasts

News, Politics

4.81.7K Ratings

🗓️ 25 December 2025

⏱️ 36 minutes

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Harvard professor and How Democracies Die co-author Steven Levitsky details why he’s more optimistic about Trump failing a year into his presidency. Wesleyan University President Michael Roth examines how universities are pushing back against Donald Trump.

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0:00.0

This is an I-Heart podcast.

0:02.5

Guaranteed Human.

0:04.6

Hi, I'm Molly JongFast, and this is Fast Politics, where we discuss the top political headlines with some of today's best minds.

0:13.3

We're on vacation, but that doesn't mean we don't have a great show for you today.

0:16.8

Wesleyan University's own Michael Roth stops by to talk about how universities can push back against Donald Trump.

0:24.0

But first, we have Harvard Professor and How Democracies Die, author Stephen Levitsky, here to talk about why he's a little more optimistic about Trump failing after a year into his presidency.

0:36.7

Welcome back to fast politics, Stephen. Thanks for having me back.

0:40.9

Before we were talking and you were talking about how you're more optimistic now than you were,

0:44.6

say, in March. I think we were all pretty freaked out by the Trump 2.0. Talk to me about why

0:50.3

you're more optimistic now. Well, first of all, it's Trump has done a tremendous amount of damage,

0:56.1

and we were seeing the beginning of it at March, and that continued almost, it's unabated and,

1:00.9

you know, unchecked for nine months. And it's done damage to our society, to our culture,

1:06.5

to our institutions, to the U.S. state, to the world, particularly the U.S. standing in

1:10.5

them. So 2025 was a terrible year. It was worse than I anticipated, and I've been a pessimist for years.

1:17.5

What makes me less pessimistic is the fact that Trump is weakening politically.

1:22.7

For he began to, he has suffered defeats, some defeats in the courts. He's suffered some

1:29.7

defeats at the ballot box. Public opinion is gradually, but importantly, shifting against him.

1:36.6

And he's suffered defeats within the Republican Party, which is a bad side for him.

1:41.1

And the principal reason why Trump was able to do as much damage as he did in

1:46.2

2025 is he had ironclad Republican support. He could not have done even a fraction of what he did

1:53.5

had he not had ironclad support in the Republican Party, basically the willingness of the entire

1:59.2

Republican Party leadership to abdicate their

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