You are listening to the Roberta Glass True Crime Report, putting the true back in true crime.

From New York City, Roberta Glass is now on the record. Okay, today I wanted to talk about the making a murderer of franchise, convicting a murderer franchise, and how really similar they are in the way they approach the material and what they are saying

about what the Stephen Avery story means.

So convicting a murderer is now on episode six.

And in that, they deal with the Coburn testimony that was edited to make it look like he said something he didn't, as far as the way that he checked

the license, Teresa Hallback's license plate. They also deal with the finding of the key, something that I've

never understood, which is how do we know that Stephen Avery didn't move this key?

How did we know that it was there the whole time?

And I can't tell you how many times I've lost things, looked for them,

and they were in the same place that I looked a hundred million times.

So I never really understood fully, and maybe someone can explain it to me

in the comments, why that finding of the key indicates some kind of police conspiracy.

But it begins with one of the foul play.

So the foul play people are the diehard,

Avery, Dassey supporters.

They'd call themselves researchers or truthers.

And they are referred to in convicting a murderer as truthers, which I kind of

object to. I've never heard a whole host of people call them, call them that besides themselves.

They always like to use the word justice and truth.

And by they, I mean, and those that connect themselves with the wrongful conviction movement.

But the real agenda between making a murderer and convicting a murderer is to protect the

wrongful conviction movement. So whether you're making a murderer and you're blaming the

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