Steve Teles on 'Never Trump'
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🗓️ 23 May 2020
⏱️ 57 minutes
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Steven Teles is the author of a new book with Robert P. Saldin, "Never Trump: The Revolt of the Conservative Elites." Benjamin Wittes spoke with Teles about the book, how the national security and legal communities approach Donald Trump and how these two schools of thought have informed the Never Trump movement.
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| 0:25.6 | no bull and the aftermath. |
| 0:32.6 | On national security conservatives were the ones who seemed to be the most likely to oppose |
| 0:40.6 | Trump and that's where you really need to not think of them as individuals, right? |
| 0:47.8 | But that there's really, you know, sort of social glue in that group. |
| 0:52.5 | These are people who know each other, they interact with each other, they served in government |
| 0:57.5 | together, they've been in the equivalent of the foxhole with each other. |
| 1:02.3 | They have, in that sense, a lot of kind of lateral influence on each other, right? |
| 1:08.4 | There was a real unit cohesion in that group. |
| 1:12.6 | So if you want to explain the behavior of any individual, you really need to think about |
| 1:17.3 | the collectivity of which they're a part. |
| 1:21.7 | And people in that world really did exercise influence on each other, right? |
| 1:26.5 | They did try to establish norms for their community, right? |
| 1:32.1 | About why they as a collectivity should oppose Trump. |
| 1:36.3 | And I think sociologically they were just more used to thinking about themselves as a group |
| 1:43.1 | in that, in that sense. |
| 1:45.8 | I'm Jacob Schultz and this is the Law Fair Podcast, May 23rd, 2020. |
| 1:55.7 | Steve Tellus is the author of a new book with Robert P. Salden, Never Trump, Revolte of |
| 2:02.7 | the Conservative elites. |
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