It's really the internal that matters, that internal motivation and strength, and often

that is quiet.

Hello and welcome to the Psychology Podcast. Today we welcome back Steve Magnus on the show.

Steve is a world-renowned expert on high performance. He has been a consultant on mental skills

development for professional sports teams, including some of the top teams in the NBA.

Steve is the co-author of peak performance, the passion paradox, and the author of the science of

running. Collectively his books have sold more than a quarter million copies in print,

e-book and audio formats, and his latest book, which is the topic of our discussion today,

is called Do Hard Things. This episode I talked to Steve Magnus about real toughness.

The prevailing narrative around achievement extolls the merits of unrelenting resolve.

To show vulnerability is to show weakness. According to Steve, the hyper focus on

external bravado is detrimental to performance and mental health. He outlines his four core pillars

of resilience to replace our broken model of toughness. We also touch on the topics of stoicism,

self-esteem, emotions, mindfulness, and sports psychology. I really respect Steve. He's very

evidence-based. He's also a really humble and good guy. I'm really excited to share this episode

with you all today. So now without further ado, I give you Steve Magnus. Steve, it's great to have

you back in the psychology podcast. Yeah, thanks for having me. Looking forward to it.

Yes, me too. How have you grown and changed since the last time you were on the podcast,

which might have been 2015-16? Yeah, I was going to say it was a while ago. Sure was.

You know, I like to think I, hopefully I've grown and changed a lot. I like to think I have. I

think if you go back to 2015-16, I was still in a world where sport and running and that

was dominating my life. And since then, I would say that I've gone on this journey where, you know,

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